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In
this video, leaked and aired on Israeli Channel 10 TV, Prime
Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is seen speaking candidly back
in 2001 at a constituent's home about the Oslo accords, the
peace process, Bill Clinton and the United States. He brags
about having "stopped" Oslo accords and refers to America as
something to be "moved in the right direction", citing polls
showing Americans' support for Israel.
Transcript of video – courtesy of
Institute for Middle East Understanding
[Binyamin Netanyahu] Turn off the
camera so that we can elaborate on this.
[Narrator]: A few minutes later... the camera is
turned on again and Netanyahu begins to speak without
quotation marks and without masks.
[Netanyahu] Now we're beginning to understand the
meaning of the slogan “Yesha Zeikan Judea, Samaria and Azza
are here”. Yesha is everywhere, what is the difference?
What does Arafat want? He wants one big settlement [implies
Palestinians see all of Israel as a settlement].
[Woman] Yes that's what my daughter-in-law who came
from England says [i.e. they, the Palestinians, see Tel Aviv
as a settlement also].
[Natanyahu] Tel Aviv is also a settlement. From their
[Palestinians] point of view, our territorial waters are
also theirs. The fact is that they want us in the sea. Over
there... [gestures] in the distant water.
The Arabs now are preparing for a campaign [or war] of
terror, and they think that this will break us.
The main thing is, first and foremost, to hit them hard. Not
just one hit... but many painful [hits], so that the price
will be unbearable. The price is not unbearable, now. A
total assault on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to
a state of panic that everything is collapsing ... fear that
everything will collapse... this is what we'll bring them
to...
[Woman interrupts] But wait a minute, at that point
the whole world will say “What are you occupiers”...
[Natanyahu interrupts] The world will say nothing.
The world will say that we are defending ourselves.
[Woman] Aren't you afraid of the world
Bibi?
[Natanyahu] No. Especially now, with America,
I know what America is. America is a thing
that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. They
[the Americans] will not bother us. Let's suppose that they
[the Americans] will say something [i.e. to us Israelis]...
so they say it... [so what?] Eighty per cent of the
Americans support us. It's absurd! We have such [great]
support there! And we say... what shall we do with this
[support]?
Look, the other administration [that of Bill Clinton] was
pro-Palestinian in an extreme way. I was not afraid to
manoeuvre there. I did not fear confrontation with Clinton.
I was not afraid to clash with the UN. As it is, I am paying
the price in the international arena... So I might as well
receive something of equal value in exchange.
[Child] But never mind that. We gave them things, and
we can't take them back. Because they won't give them back
to us.
[Natanyahu, gestures to let child speak] First of all, Oslo
is a system [or package of things]. You're right... I do not
know what can and cannot be taken back [from the
Palestinians]
[Woman] He [the child] has political opinions,
believe me.
[Natanyahu] He's right.
[Woman] He said such things to Arik Sharon that I
told him: that's not – that's not a child's opinion. The
Oslo accords are a disaster.
[Natanyahu] Yes, I know that and you know that... but
the people need to know
[Woman] Right. But I thought that the prime minister
did know, and that he'd do everything so that, somehow, not
to do critical things, like handing over Hebron, that...
What were the Oslo accords? The Oslo accords,
which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections:
"Will you act according to them?" and I answered: "Yes,
subject to reciprocity and limiting the withdrawals." But
how do you limit the withdrawals? I interpret the accords in
such a way that will enable me to stop this rush towards the
1967 borders. [So] how do we do it?
[Narrator] The Oslo accords stated at the time that
Israel would gradually hand over territories to the
Palestinians in three different stages, unless the
territories in question had settlements or military sites.
This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.
[Natanyahu] No one said what defined military sites.
Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far
as I'm concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military
site.
[Woman] Right [laughs]. The Beit She'an settlements.
The Beit She'an Valley.
[Natanyahu] How can you tell. How can you tell? But
then the question came up of just who would define what
defined military sites were. I received a letter – to me and
to Arafat, at the same time ... which said that Israel, and
only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the
location of those military sites and their size. Now, they
did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the
Hebron agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said:
"I'm not signing." Only when the letter came, in the course
of the meeting, to me and to Arafat, only then did I sign
the Hebron agreement, or rather, ratify it. It had already
been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I
actually stopped the Oslo accord.
[Woman interrupts] And despite that, one of our own people,
excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going
to commit suicide with the Oslo accord, gives them, for
example, Hebron. I never understood that.
[Natanyahu] Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It's the
thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much
respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: "What
would your father say?" I went to my father. Do you know a
little about my father's position?... He's not exactly a
lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the
question and said: “Tell the rabbi that your grandfather,
Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would
be better to give two per cent than to give a 100 per cent.
And that's the choice here. You gave two per cent and in
that way you stopped the withdrawal, instead of 100 per
cent.”
The trick is not to be there and break down. The trick is to
be there and pay a minimal price.
[Woman] May you say that as prime minister.
[Natanyahu] In my estimation that will happen. |